The Aliens R.F.C.

Committee Meeting held at The Clubmoor Hotel Thursday 10^th October 1912

Present Messrs Knipe, Greenwood, O.E Bayliss, J Milbourn, Ellis, Williams, Applebee

The secretary reported that he had arranged with the Oldham club to visit Clubmoor on March 15^th.

Mr Ellis reported that the Entertainments Committee proposed to hold a.Whist Drive for members and friends on Saturday November the 9^th.

The committee approved of this, and gave the entertainments committee a free hand in the matter.

Mr Milbourn proposed and Mr Williams seconded "That the treasurer order 6 new club jerseys."

Mr Knipe and Mr Ellis between them kindly promised to supply the club with a new set of "touch" flags.

The best thanks of the meeting were tendered to them for their offer, and also to Mr Knipe for making the flags.

Present Messrs Milbourn, H.Bayliss, Ascroft, Greenwood, Ellis, Helme, Knipe, Applebee

The secretary read a letter from Mr H.Flenley, advocating purchase of boxes for spectators to stand upon. Mr Milbourn offered to go round and report on their suitability or otherwise.

The City Council demanded the sum of £4.5.0 for use of dressing rooms from 1^st Sept. 1912 to April 30^th 1913. Money was to be refunded for occasions on which the rooms were not actually used.

It was decided that the agreement should be signed by Mr Bayliss.

Use of ground was granted to schools' Rugby Committee for match between North Liverpool Schools and Birkenhead Hr Elementary School on Dec. 14^th, K.O. 1.45p.m.

It was also decided to give the proceeds of the "gate" in the University match on Jan. 25^th to the schools' Rugby Committee and to allow a North v South L'pool Boys' match to precede the above match.

As Southport Olympic had written asking us to play a weak team against them on Jan. 18^th it was decided to try to arrange a first team match with Hamilton for that date, the game to be played at Clubmoor. If successful in arranging this, it was decided to send the second team to Southport to fulfil the fixture with Olympic.

The Entertainments Committee reported that they had arranged a Bohemian Concert for Dec. 14^th. The general committee approved of their arrangements.

Present Messrs Knipe, Applebee, Jones, Williams, Flint, O'Donnell, Ellis, Milbourn

The following members were elected.

The resignation of E.B.Ringrose was accepted with regret.

It was decided to hold a Whist Drive and Dance on Mar. 7^th 1913.

Committee Meeting held at Clubmoor Hotel April 4^th 1913

Present Messrs Knipe, Croxford, O.E.Bayliss, H.Bayliss, Jones, Williams, Ellis, Applebee

The resignations of the following members were accepted

R.F.Harding and Sergeant Paterson.

A letter was also read from A.W.Cocks thanking the members of the club for their parting gift to him on his leaving for Canada, and resigning his membership of the club.

It was decided to place on the agenda for the general meeting, the following rule instead of rule 5.

The annual subscription shall be 15/- (12/6 if paid in full before Nov 1^st or within two months of election) for playing members, and 2/6 for existing members. Future hon. members subscriptions will be 5/-. Ticket holders 2/6.

The first team played 24 matches, 9 of which were won, 3 drawn and 12 lost. They scored 221 points against 281 by their opponents. The chief scorers were W.B.Croxford 14 tries, W.J.Trist 11 tries and R.W.Jones 7 tries.

The second team played 20 matches, won 7 drew 3 and lost 10, scoring 159 points against 234. Their chief scorer was F.King, 6 tries.

During the season the club held four social gatherings, with fair results financially. Great credit is due to the Entertainments Committee for their work - work which should help to bring the men more in touch with each other, and also strengthen the "club" feeling between the members. While all have worked well to this end, I wish to draw your attention to the vast amount of hard work which has been cheerfully done by the entertainments secretary, H.N.Ellis, and to ask you to join with me in a very hearty vote of thanks to him for the efficient way in which these socials were managed.

F.J.Applebee

Annual General Meeting held at Elm Bank, Oakfield May 27^th 1913

Mr Knipe was voted to the chair.

The minute of the previous general meeting were read and confirmed.

The secretary's report for the season 1912-13 was adopted.

The cash statement was adopted.

The Election of Officers resulted as follows

Mr Ellis formally moved "that rule 5 now read"

The annual subscription shall be 15/- for playing members and 5/- for honorary members. Playing members subscriptions fully paid by November 1^st or within two months of election shall be reduced by 2/6. Season tickets (admitting to all matches) 2/6.

The subscription for existing hon. members will remain at 2/6.

The formation of a third team was left in the hands of the committee.

The following names were struck off the list of members

Stein, Keely, Manning, Blanchett

The meeting terminated with a vote of thanks to Mr Knipe for presiding.

Supper was then served, and afterwards several of the members participated in a small whist drive, prizes being kindly provided by Mr Ellis.

Members Present. Messrs Applebee, Knipe, H.N.Ellis, Outhwaite, Andrews, H.Bayliss, H.N.Ellis, Kay, Milbourn, O.E.Bayliss, Haney, Jones, Croxford, Ringrose, Taylor, Owen, Griffiths, W.G.Lomas, H.W.Thomas, Bishop, O.Donnell, T.Madoc-Jones, R.A.Roberts, E.Roberts, Johnstone, Marshall, Helme, King.

Committee Meeting held at Clubmoor Hotel Tuesday Aug. 19^th 1913

Present Messrs Applebee, Knipe, Croxford, Milbourn, Haney, Williams, Ellis, O.E.Bayliss

It was decided to take the old ground on the same terms as for previous seasons.

It was decided to run a third team if possible, the Sport's Committee of the N.U.T to be approached re the letting of a portion of their ground as a playing pitch for same. Rent not to exceed £3.

The Treasurer was instructed to interview Mr Stringer, and report to the secretary who would then make formal application to the Sport's Committee.

Committee Meeting held at Bee Hotel Aug. 28^th 1913

Present Messrs Knipe(chairman), Applebee, Marshall, Ringrose, Helme, Lindsay, S.J.Kay, Outhwaite, King, Facey, W.H.Kay, O'Donnell, H.N.Ellis, Bishop, R.T.Robinson, D.Sloss, H.Bayliss, Venmore, Milbourn, E.Roberts, T.Madoc-Jones, W.G.Thomas, Flenley, Tolson, O.E.Bayliss, Croxford, Kearns, J.Williams, J.G.Williams.

The minutes of the previous General Meeting were read and confirmed.

With regard to the third team Mr Croxford proposed that and Mr R.T.Robinson seconded that:

"Those actively connected with the schoolboy movement hold a meeting next week and if a sufficient number of boys be obtainable, they be empowered to run a third team, at a rental of £5 for ground."

It was proposed and carried that These boys, up to the age of 17 be admitted to the club as junior members, without the right to vote, and at a subscription to be fixed by the committee.

No junior member to be played in the 2^nd (or 1^st team unless in case of shortage of players during coming season).

The same entertainments committee which did duty last season was again elected with the exception of that Mr Morgan was to be asked to take the place of Mr Cocks.

Committee Meeting held at Townsend Lane Schools September 6^th 1913

Present Messrs Knipe, Applebee, O.E.Bayliss, Croxford, Milbourn, H.Bayliss, Haney, Williams, Ellis

The minutes of the previous meeting were taken "as read".

The following members were elected as selection committee

Messrs Helme, Knipe, Williams, Jones with captains, sub-captains and secretary.

The following resignations were accepted.

W.Johnston, J.W.A.Taylor, H.W.Thomas

The following members were elected

Committee Meeting held at Clubmoor Hotel 11.12.13

Present Messrs Knipe, Milbourn, Flint, H.Bayliss, E.Roberts, Williams, Applebee

Minutes of previous meeting read and confirmed.

The following resignations were accepted.

Players. J.H.Helme G.G.Armit

G.S.Corkhill R.W.Jones

G.Madoc-Jones O.E.Bayliss

Griev

The following members were elected

Hon.

G.Madoc-Jones, J.H.Helme, G.S.Corkhill

O.E.Bayliss, R.W.Jones, Taylor, H.W.Thomas

Committee Meeting held at Clubmoor Hotel 2.3.14

Present Messrs Applebee, Knipe, Milbourn, Flint, Jones, O'Donnell, H.Bayliss, Williams, Ellis

Minutes of previous meeting were taken as read.

The business consisted solely of a discussion as to best means of getting in outstanding subscriptions.

It was decided that various members of the committee should interview members whose subs. were outstanding.

Com. Mtg held at Clubmoor Hotel 8.4.14

Present Messrs Applebee, Croxford, Knipe, Ellis, H.Bayliss, Jones, Smith, Bishop

Minutes of previous meeting read and confirmed, and committee promised to interview those whose subs were still outstanding.

Season 1913-14

The past season has been a disastrous one both as regards finance and results. We finished the season with a deficit of £13.1.5, the first team won 8 matches lost 19 scoring 165 against 395, and the second team won 5 drew 1 lost 14 scoring 145 points against 292.

The experiment of running a 3^rd team resulted in failure.

The season however was not without its bright side. We had in our teams many men who were new to the game. They were not expected to win many games and they certainly fulfilled those expectations. Still they have youth on their side and among the novices are some men, who with a little luck, will go far in the game. They will commence next September with the advantage of a season's experience and with the advent of several new men, coupled with the retention of the services of most of the older hands the future of the club looks very bright. If only a little more keenness can be infused into the teams, the report at the end of the season will be much pleasanter to write and to read.

This year the entertainments committee has not been supported as it might have been. Our entertainments should be a source of considerable revenue to the club, and they will be if the members will give us their whole hearted support.

In conclusion I wish to thank those officers who have given up so much time for the well being of the club, in particular that much maligned body the selection committee, the entertainments committee and its secretary, Mr Knipe for turning out so frequently in all weathers to referee the second team games, Mr Milbourn for many actions which have lightened up my own work, and to Mr H.Bayliss for taking over the duties as treasurer when his brother had so unfortunately to give them up.

F.J.Applebee

Hon. Sec.

General Meeting held at Criterion Hotel June 18^th 1914

Present Messrs Croxford(chairman), Applebee, S.J.Kay, W.Kearns, J.H.Weights, H.Bayliss, J.R.Williams, D.Sloss, H.Bateman, J.H.Owen, H.Cowper, G.L.Orchard, H.N.Ellis, W.G.Thomas, F.Outhwaite, R.T.Robinson, J.Milbourn

Minutes of previous general meeting were read and confirmed.

The Secretary's Report and Cash statement were adopted

The election of officers resulted as follows.

General Meeting held at Criterion Hotel Aug. 25^th 1914

Present Messrs Ringrose, Mudge, Smith, McCarthy, O'Donnell, R.A.Roberts, E.Roberts, J.R.Williams, T.Madoc-Jones, Orchard, Johnson, D.Sloss, Bateman, Weights, H.N.Ellis, Cowper, S.J.Kay, Croxford, R.T.Robinson, R.W.Jones, S.Thomas, Upward, Milbourn, Knipe, Applebee.

In the event of the County Club agreeing to guarantee us against a loss of £10 on the seasons working, and if a minimum of ten matches could be arranged it was decided to continue the club, subject to considerable reduction in rental of ground.

Mr Milbourn, on account of pressure of business, was compelled to resign the treasurership of the club. The resignation was accepted with regret and Mr H.Cowper was elected to fill the vacant position, Mr Smith filling vacancy on the committee.

Mr Milbourn announced that the watch competition ha realised a profit of over £7. The winner was Mr Raby, 54 Mackfield Rd, Bootle

*

The meeting closed with hearty votes of thanks to Mr Milbourn for his efforts in connection with the above competition, and to Mr Knipe for taking the chair.

* The best wishes of the meeting were sent to those members of the club who have volunteered for active service.

Committee Meeting held at Clubmoor Hotel 3.9.14

Present Messrs Knipe, Applebee, Cowper, H.N.Ellis, T.Madoc-Jones, Smith

It was decided that as so many of the playing members had volunteered for active service, that the club should be suspended during the period of the war.

General Meeting held at 'The Bee Hotel' 1.4.19

Present Messrs R.W.Jones, Applebee, Helme, Milbourn, S.J.Kay, Reid, Upward, Croxford, Marshall, O'Donnell, Outhwaite, R.A.Roberts, H.N.Ellis, J.R.Williams

Minutes of previous general meeting were read and confirmed.

The meeting decided that an effort should be made to continue the club, the secretary being asked to make arrangements for ground for coming season and to arrange a list of fixtures for first and second teams, on the proposition of H.N.Ellis, seconded by Mr S.J.Kay.

Mr Croxford proposed and the secretary seconded "That the name of the club be changed to 'The Tuebrook Rugby F.C.' "

The meeting decided that this proposition should appear in the agenda paper summoning the next general meeting.

The lack of beer and the price of substituted beverage having shell-shocked the majority of the members present, the customary vote of thanks to Captain R.W.Jones for occupying the chair was omitted.

It is a singular fact that every one of our fallen playing members had occupied the full back position

General Meeting held at The Bee Hotel 12.9.19

Present Messrs Milbourn, Waldron, R.A.Roberts, O'Donnell, Reid, Bellamy, Upward, Kay, King, Helme, Flint, Outhwaite, H.N.Ellis, Barrow, D.Sloss, D.J.Sloss, Applebee

Mr Milbourn was appointed chairman.

Minutes of previous general meeting were read and confirmed.

The secretary reported that he had been unable to obtain a suitable ground.

Mr Flint proposed and Mr King seconded "That the L'pool Old Boys' Club be approached with a view to amalgamation of the two clubs." Carried

A sub committee of three was appointed to make further efforts to secure a ground, in the event of failure to amalgamate the two clubs. Messrs Milbourn, Ellis and Williams were elected on the sub committee.

Mr Croxford was elected as the clubs' representative on the County Committee.

The election of further officers was left over for another general meeting to be held in about a fortnight's time.

The meeting terminated with a vote of thanks to Mr Milbourn for occupying "the chair"

General Meeting held at 'The Bee Hotel' 3.10.19

Present Messrs Croxford, Marshall, Thomas(S.R), Owen, Bellamy, Kay, Ellis, Helme, D.Sloss, Taylor, Milbourn, Knipe, Outhwaite, J.R.Williams, Upward

Mr Knipe was appointed chairman.

Minutes of previous general meeting were read and confirmed.

The 'ground committee' reported failure to obtain a suitable ground.

Mr Croxford proposed and Mr Helme seconded 'That the season be started with one team, and whenever possible all matches be played 'away' until such time as a ground be obtained.' Carried

The Election of Officers resulted as follows

President. Mr J.G.Legge

Vice Presidents Messrs Croxford, Flenley, Johnstone, R.W.Jones, J.Kay, Knipe, Kearns, R.Madoc-Jones, Morgan, Milbourn, Nicholas, Raus, W.R.Smith, Stringer, Waldron, I.R.Williams, Fox, Marshall, Taylor and Harding

It was also decided to interview old members of the club asking for a subscription of 2/6 from each to clear off the small debt which the club has incurred.

The Meeting terminated with a vote of thanks to Mr Knipe for acting as chairman.

General Meeting held at Victoria Hotel October 17^th 1919

Present Messrs Sloss, Croxford, Snape, Owen, Applebee, Bellamy, Knipe, Ringrose, Jones, Williams, Milbourn, R.T.Robinson, J.Robinson, Bate, Hemmingway, T.H.Cassell, W.Gaskell, Taylor, Helme

Chairman Mr R.L.Knipe

1. The Secretary reported that the committee had an option on two grounds, one at Ford Station, the other at Eaton Rd, West Derby, with dressing accommodation at 'Oliva House'.
2. It was agreed to take the Eaton Rd Ground at a rental of £15, and to pay the caretaker at 'Oliva' House 5/- per match for all the necessary arrangements. This amount to include the washing of towels.

Mr D.Sloss kindly promised to see that forms were supplied for use in the changing rooms and was duly thanked by the meeting for doing so.

3. The annual subscriptions to the club were fixed at the following amounts.

Playing Members: 21/-

Junior " (under 20 years of age) 10/6

Honorary " 5/-

4. The secretary proposed and Mr Croxford seconded

'That Mr H.E.Snape be elected on the committee of the club'. Carried

5. It was decided to carry on with tea for visitors as formerly.
6. For the present season it was decided to substitute for the usual card of membership, a cheaper variety containing fixtures, list of officers and a few of the more important rules.
7. After an informal discussion it was decided that we should not invite Sir Reginald Hall to become a vice-president of the club, but that 'a' member could approach him in the usual manner and if desirous, he would then be elected an honorary member of the club.
8. The meeting terminated with a vote of thanks to Mr Knipe for taking the chair.

Emergency Committee Meeting at 40 Inigo Rd, Stoneycroft 23.10.19

Mr W.B.Croxford the clubs' representative on the county committee received from the county secretary 27.10.19 a letter of which the following is a copy.

Lancs. Country F.C.

28 Brazenose St.

Manchester.

Dear Croxford,

I am informed that Outhwaite, Aliens, Lancashire probably played for Runcorn last year. Can you please verify whether this is so or not, as a member of selection committee, as such I tell you confidentially it has come to me by wire today from Mr James Milnes who says his informant is Baxter (of Cheshire I presume)

Chas Fletcher

An emergency committee consisting of Messrs Applebee, Croxford, Knipe and Milbourn was summoned, and Outhwaite was asked to appear before them. Mr Knipe could not attend.

The Vice-Captain was questioned by the committee and stated that the charge was absolutely unfounded. He added that he was prepared to state on oath, in a court of law if necessary, that since joining the Aliens R.F.C the only matches he has played have been for the Aliens, for Mr Croxfords' Liverpool and District Side, for Lancashire County Trials, and two scratch matches, one at Canterbury and one in France whilst serving with His Majestys' Forces'.

The committee expressed their delight that Mr Outhwaite was able to deny the charge, and left the matter in Mr Croxford's hands for the time being.

The general committee of the club will decide what further steps are to be taken in the matter.

Committee Meeting held at Gainsboro' Cafe October 31^st 1919

Present Messrs Sloss, Williams, Croxford, O'Donnell, Bellamy, Knipe, Applebee, Milbourn

1. The secretary reported that the landlord of 'the ground', not having signed a tenancy agreement, had without any warning, notified the club that they could not have use of the ground.

Mr Knipe, the secretary and the treasurer had made every offer in their power to induce him to keep to his promise, but he refused.

The committee decided that the only thing to be done was to look for another ground, Mr Knipe and Mr Milbourn each undertook to make immediate inquiries.

2. The following members were elected on the selection committee. Messrs Sloss, J.R.Williams, D.W.Bellamy and H.E.Snape, with captains, sub-captains and team secretary.
3. The following new members were elected.

Committee Meeting held at Gainsboro' Cafe 17.12.19

Present Messrs Knipe(chairman), Applebee, Milbourn, Outhwaite, D.W.F.Bellamy, S.J.Kay, Sloss, Croxford, J.R.Williams, O'Donnell

1. The minutes of previous meeting were read and confirmed.
2. Mr Milbourn undertook responsibilities for arrangements for Sat's match.
3. First team v New Brighton (on Jan. 3^rd) was selected.
4. The secretary asked members of committee to see that no balls were thrown about in the dressing rooms, and also to see that no football is kicked in the grounds at 'Oliva'.
5. The following new members were elected.

Present Messrs Knipe, Applebee, Kay, Bellamy, Outhwaite, Williams, Taylor, Milbourn

The following new members were elected.

The resignations of S.P.G.Upward (who has removed to Carlisle), and J.H.Owen were accepted with regret.

Messrs J.R.Williams and R. Kaye Dixon were appointed auditors.

One of our members R.A.O'Donnell played for Lancashire v Northumberland and scored two tries. His play was highly commended in the press. S.Dumbell, and Alien trained player, now with University appeared v Durham, and F.Outhwaite was first reserve v Cheshire.

The meeting decided that the change in the name of the club was desirable from many points of view, and while regretting the passing of the old name, it was agreed that from the date of the meeting the club should be called The "Sefton" Rugby Union Football Club.

The meeting closed with a vote of thanks to the chairman for his services.

Committee Meeting held at Hare and Hounds Hotel 18.9.20

Present Messrs Applebee, Milbourn, Croxford, Helme, Hutchings, Kay, Outhwaite

The following were elected to the selection committee.

Messrs J.W.A.Taylor, F.Outhwaite, S.J.Kay, H.Daulman, H.E.Snape.

It was agreed to accept offer of the Hare and Hounds Hotel to provide dressing room at 10/- per occasion. Large room to be used for changing, and kitchen at back for washing. In addition hot water for tea will be provided.

The resignation of F.King who has gone to S.America was accepted with regret.

The vacancy on the Committee caused by the resignation of V.A.Bellamy was filled by the election of E.Martinez.

Committee Meeting held at Gainsboro' Cafe 22.12.20

Present Messrs Knipe, Croxford, O'Donnell, Bayliss, Milbourn, K.Dixon, Hutchings, Applebee

The minutes of the previous meeting were read and confirmed.

The following name was struck off the list of members: H.C.Astle.

The following were elected playing members of the club.

It was decided to have a Hot Pot Supper at the Victoria Café on Jan.14^th 1921, the price of the tickets being fixed at 4/6 each.

It was also decided to have a Smoker at the Hare and Hounds, if possible on Feb.19^th. Mr K.Dixon undertook responsibility for arrangements.

Permission was granted to Secretary to order 600 "selected to play" postcards, and a supply of club stationery.

Committee Meeting held at Hare and Hounds Hotel, West Derby 20.1.21

Present Messrs Marshall, Smith, Dixon, Croxford, Helme, O'Donnell, Milbourn, Bayliss, Applebee, Martinez, J.R.Williams

Mr Marshall was elected chairman.

The minutes of the previous meeting were read and confirmed.

The vacancy on the committee, caused by the resignation of D.W.Bellamy, was filled by the election of W.J.Smith of the Bristol and Gloucestershire County Committees, a gentleman who will probably prove to be the most valuable acquisition that the club has ever made.